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    Day 11: Intro to Testing & Optimization (Funnelflux)

    In the previous lesson, we've set up your very first campaign together.

    The $10 budget should have been spent by now. So we should have some stats to look at!

    You may have made your first conversion by this point - if that's the case, then CONGRATULATIONS! Seeing your first conversion is always exciting! And I wish you many, many more in the near future.

    If you don't yet see your first conversion, don't be disappointed - they will come, and very soon.

    I'm not going into details on HOW to optimize a campaign - because we likely don't have enough conversions at this point to make any optimization decisions.

    What I'll do in this lesson is just to guide you through how to drill down to various stats in Funnelflux, and give a VERY general overview of what campaign optimization is about.

    I'll talk more on optimization in later lessons, but this primer will prepare you well for what's to come.


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    ACTION & EXPLANATION

    In this section I'll be weaving explanation into action, as I'll be asking you to drill down into various stats, and describing briefly what we're looking at/for. After that I'll have a separate EXPLANATION section to cover further explanations.


    In Funnelflux, click on "Analytics" from the left menu > "Reporting" tab at the top.



    Click in the "Date Range" field and specify a date range to include all the stats you've run up to this point ("7 days" should be enough). Click "Apply".



    There are 2 drop-down menus you can work with to display stats. There's the "Show Attributes" menu which lists all the values that are detected by Funnelflux. Funnelflux has the ability to detect information about each visitor sent by the traffic source, such as what device and OS they're using etc. etc.



    And then there's the "Custom Field" menu, which contains a list of values that are passed back by the traffic sources - including PropellerAds and PopAds:



    So where did these names come from? Remember when you were adding PopAds as a new traffic source in Funnelflux, you loaded a template of PopAds that was provided by Funnelflux? Let's take a look right now.

    Go to "Page and Sources" in the left menu > "Traffic Sources" tab > click on the edit icon for "PopAds":



    Expand the "Tracking Fields" section - remember how I took you through how to modify those tracking tokens? The names in the "Field name" column are what you saw in the "Custom menu" menu earlier.



    And how does PopAds pass these values? Remember when you were creating a campaign in Funnelflux, you had to choose PopAds as the traffic source? When you did that, the resulting Funnelflux campaign url automatically included PopAds tokens:

    So every time PopAds sends a visitor to this campaign url, it would automatically detect information such as what device and OS each visitor is using etc. etc., then replace all the variables in curly brackets with actual values. And Funnelflux would store these values in its database - which is why we can drill down to them now.

    All these variables you can choose in tracker reports are a mix of values detected by Funnelflux and values passed back by PopAds (and other traffic sources) every time it shows a visitor your campaign url.

    (Don't worry too much if you're not understanding how tracking tokens work - I'll explain tracking in detail in a future lesson.)


    In Funnelflux, you can drill down to virtually UNLIMITED levels of data deep, unlike most other trackers which limited you to a few. So let's see an example now!

    Go back to "Analytics" from left menu > "Reporting" tab. Choose values to display from both the "Show Attributes" and "Add Custom Field" menus for example in this order:




    Spend 15 minutes drilling down to the various variables and different levels of different combinations yourself, just to get an idea on what kinds of data is available.


    All this data can give you the insight required to make wise campaign optimization decisions. This is one of the main reasons why having a tracker is so important.



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    EXPLANATION

    First of all, let's define the goal of optimization.

    The goal of campaign optimization is to maximize profits.
    (You may be thinking "DUH!", but you'd be surprised at how many new affiliates would try to optimize for highest ROI - they are not the same thing. See "Mistake #7 " in this post.)

    And how can you accomplish that goal? Answer: By controlling the 3 main campaign elements:

    Offer, Landing Page, and Traffic.
    These are the 3 pillars of a pop campaign. You buy visitors (traffic) and send them to a landing page to presell them on the offer, a percentage of them will click through the page to arrive at the offer, and a percentage of those will convert on the offer. We need to optimize these 3 elements so that the campaign will generate profits for us.

    And how do you optimize a campaign to profits by manipulating these 3 campaign elements?

    1)By split-testing landing pages and offers until finding a combination that converts well.

    2)By controlling which traffic segments to target - which can be achieved by a)optimizing the bid, and b)optimizing campaign targeting (country, device, browser, carrier, etc.) at the traffic source.
    Here's my definition of a "Traffic Segment": It's a segment of all the traffic you receive, that you can drill down into stats to display. Examples of traffic segments are: Android OS, Chrome mobile browser, T-Mobile USA mobile carrier, and any specific placement - or "zone" as PropellerAds calls them.

    (If you're not familiar with how pop ads work: The traffic network - PropellerAds in this case - are in collaboration with webmasters that are willing to add to their site a piece of code given by PropellerAds, that would allow PropellerAds to display ads on their site. I refer to these sites as "placements" - they're also called "publisher sites" by the traffic source. PropellerAds charges us to show our ads on these publisher sites, then pays a part of that money to the webmasters.)

    In any specific campaign, and at any given time, when you drill down to the various variables to view the different traffic segments, some will be in green (i.e. profitable) and others will be in red (i.e. in loss). The trick is to either just target the profitable segments, or to stop targeting (i.e. "cut") the unprofitable segments to make the campaign profitable.

    Everyone does testing and optimization a bit differently, but here's the general approach in a nutshell:

    1)Split-test landing pages and offers until finding a combination that turns enough traffic segments profitable, to result in a satisfactory amount of total profits across these green segments.

    2)At the traffic source, either a)target the profitable traffic segments (an approach also referred to as "whitelisting") or b)exclude the unprofitable traffic segments (an approach also referred to as "blacklisting"). (The testing of bids is also a necessary part of this process - more on this in a future lesson.)


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    Of course there is a LOT more to campaign optimization than just what I've described above, and I will go into campaign optimization in more detail in the next lesson and in future lessons. But I hope this lesson has provided you with a bird's-eye-view of what campaign optimization involves.



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    Hi Vortex


    I did some test to follow this guide and to get practice.


    I tried to test some offers, some with landing and some not.
    My first goal about that was to understand how to use the landing page.
    I already did some campaign in pop traffic as suggested in the other guide that you wrote here on STM.


    Anyway, I don't know if I can post it here or there's some other topic; in case I will copy and repost this where you prefer.


    So, let me show what I did and please tell me what I did right and, most probably, what not! ;-)


    First of all, I tried to test some offer in different GEO, in particular: some from DE e some from TH and ZA.
    All of the offers come from sweeps vertical.

    Here some screenshot from the funnel flux
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    Here some Stats from Propeller Ads

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    While the first campaign ( the ones with landing test) was running, I was able to make some changes about the percentage of the traffic that I would redirect to both.
    I noticed that the landing A was getting more click after 1K impression while the other ones no one. ( 50% traffic split). So I decided to changes progressively the traffic until the 100% redirect to the landing page A


    I made no conversion, but it's my first test with a landing. Now all the campaign has been stopped just because it reaches the budget limit, but I am just thinking about what kind of improvement I could do on it or, on the other hands, if it is not worth it.
    In my opinion, I would like to focus on the offer where I used the landing and leave the others, but I don't know if I could miss some chance of doing so.
    Any advice in reading these reports will be appreciated.


    Second Campaign


    In the first moment, I decided to test just the offer without any landing A/B test.
    I spent some budget on it, and after the first 4500 impressions, I decided to implement the campaign with two landing page where I tested the creativity about the colour and the picture.


    What I noticed is about the speed of reach the impression with a lander and without.
    In particular, I saw that with a lander the traffic became slower; while with a single offer I reach 1k impression in a bit, using a lander impact significantly on the speed of achieving the same number.
    I don't know if it's normal or it depends on my site and other stuff ( I'm using Cloudflare and funnel flux)


    Anyway, I post some stats from funnel flux

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    and from propeller ads

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    In this case, I noticed that even if I did everything about the setup of the global postback from Mobidea, propeller ads and funnel flux, I have some issue about the tracking of the conversion.


    In fact, before testing the landers, I made one conversion just running the offer, but, the only Mobidea record it on the stats, nor propeller ads nor Funnel flux did.


    I know that probably I made some mistake but I still trying to understand where. I asked my AM in mobidea if my postback was correct and for them was right.


    Anyway, thanks for your attention and I'm here to read all of your advice, suggestions you will give to me.
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    Hi @andybd! Sure you can post here! But another good idea would be to create a follow-along thread here:

    https://stmforum.com/forum/forumdisp...-Follow-Alongs


    Some advice for your first campaign:

    -You should test at least 3 landers. 5+ would be even better, but at least 3 - one per popular sweeps styles: Survey, gift boxes, spinning wheel. And please make sure they are all functioning correctly (i.e. all the links work, all the text and images are displayed, the wheel spins, the boxes open, etc. etc.) Lastly, make sure to optimize them to load FAST!

    -Also make sure you're bidding average, to ensure traffic quality is OK.

    -Only IF you are sure your landers and traffic quality are good, that you can conclude your offers are bad. This is important. So if you've included enough popular and fast-loading landers, and bidding average to ensure traffic quality, and an offer STILL doesn't convert after a cost of 10x payout, then you can conclude that the offer is probably bad. So just test another offer.


    Some advice for your second campaign:

    -If you think an offer may convert with and without a landing page, you can split-test landing pages AND direct-linking at the same time, to see which converts the best. Results will be more accurate than to test direct-linking first, and then test landing pages.

    -Please test landers that are COMPLETELY different first (i.e. lander STYLES), before testing landers that are only slightly different (i.e. lander VERSIONS). For example, test a survey lander, a spinning wheel lander, and a gift box lander first. Then take the winner lander and test different versions of that, e.g. different images and colors.

    -Please make sure your landers are optimized for speed - the lander CTRs are very low.

    -You mentioned that the speed of traffic was slower with a lander? That is very strange, because theoretically the traffic source shouldn't have a preference whether you're using a lander or not. Are you sure you're not looking at the number of clicks from lander to offer?


    Regarding the postback: We should do some troubleshooting together!

    Please show me the following urls (you can change a few digits/letters to protect privacy):

    1)The original postback url from your tracker.

    2)The modified postback url you inserted into the affiliate network.

    3)The original affiliate offer link you copied from the affiliate network.

    4)The modified affiliate offer link you inserted into the tracker (when adding a new offer).

    5)The outgoing url you inserted into your landers.

    Also: Please PM me your campaign links - I want to check your tracker redirect speed and landing page loading speeds.

    Please reply here to let me know you've PM'ed me - otherwise I don't check PMs. Thanks!



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    Hi Amy,
    First of all, let me apologise for the delay in my reply. Some busy days have been, and I could come back here on the forum only now.


    Sorry about that.
    Anyway, thanks for taking the time to give me your attention and your useful tips, advice and experience.


    So, I tried to reply, point by point, to your post to be more specific as I can.


    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    Some advice for your first campaign:


    -You should test at least 3 landers. 5+ would be even better, but at least 3 - one per popular sweeps styles: Survey, gift boxes, spinning wheel. And please make sure they are all functioning correctly (i.e. all the links work, all the text and images are displayed, the wheel spins, the boxes open, etc. etc.) Lastly, make sure to optimise them to load FAST!


    Ok, got it. Thanks,


    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    Some advice for your second campaign:


    -If you think an offer may convert with and without a landing page, you can split-test landing pages AND direct-linking at the same time, to see which converts the best. Results will be more accurate than to test direct-linking first, and then test landing pages.


    Ok, right, thanks again.


    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    -Please test landers that are COMPLETELY different first (i.e. lander STYLES), before testing landers that are only slightly different (i.e. lander VERSIONS). For example, test a survey lander, a spinning wheel lander, and a gift box lander first. Then take the winner lander and test different versions of that, e.g. different images and colors.


    Ok, right!


    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    -Please make sure your landers are optimised for speed - the lander CTRs are very low.


    in Propeller ads, they showed me a signal about my lander's speed or in general my server was always about 0' sec.
    I don't know if it's trustable or not just because it was in a beta version, but the speed was good.


    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    -You mentioned that the speed of traffic was slower with a lander? That is very strange, because theoretically the traffic source shouldn't have a preference whether you're using a lander or not. Are you sure you're not looking at the number of clicks from the lander to offer?


    Yes, I know that It's quite weird it surprises me, but I looked at the number of impressions and, to give you an example about that, I reached my budget for a direct link in almost 3 hours, while with a lander, both in propeller ads and in pop ads, I ran it in a range of 3 or 7 days. That was my experience.


    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    Regarding the postback: We should do some troubleshooting together!


    Please show me the following urls (you can change a few digits/letters to protect privacy):


    1)The original postback url from your tracker.


    2)The modified postback url you inserted into the affiliate network.


    3)The original affiliate offer link you copied from the affiliate network.


    4)The modified affiliate offer link you inserted into the tracker (when adding a new offer).


    5)The outgoing url you inserted into your landers.


    Also: Please PM me your campaign links - I want to check your tracker redirect speed and landing page loading speeds.


    Please reply here to let me know you've PM'ed me - otherwise I don't check PMs. Thanks!






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    Ok, I will reply via PM with all of this information.


    Let me say, again, thanks for your help and for your useful tips.


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    Hi Antonio! You're very welcome! No need to apologize at all! You work at your own speed - just know we'll be here to help!

    For checking lander speed: What tool are you using? And what are the speeds? Are you using a CDN?

    As for traffic speed: 3 hours vs. 3-7 days? Something doesn't sound right - are you sure the targeting and bid were exactly the same in the direct-linked vs. lander campaigns?

    Please post in this thread to let me know when you've PMed and I'll check for it - thanks!



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    Quote Originally Posted by vortex View Post
    Hi Antonio! You're very welcome! No need to apologize at all! You work at your own speed - just know we'll be here to help!

    For checking lander speed: What tool are you using? And what are the speeds? Are you using a CDN?

    As for traffic speed: 3 hours vs. 3-7 days? Something doesn't sound right - are you sure the targeting and bid were exactly the same in the direct-linked vs. lander campaigns?

    Please post in this thread to let me know when you've PMed and I'll check for it - thanks!



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    Hi Amy,


    I don't use any tools to check the lander speed or traffic speed. I saw, in the stats of propeller ads that they match the pace to give some feedback. As I told in the previous post, this is completely automatic by themself, and there is a disclaimer that it's something in a beta version.


    Furthermore, for the big difference between direct link and landers, I follow the same pattern found in this guide, so I supposed that the targeting was the same.


    Last but not least, I sent a PM to you.


    [edit] I use cloudflare as requested by funnel flux


    Thanks for your help.

    Ciao
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    I don't use any tools to check the lander speed or traffic speed. I saw, in the stats of propeller ads that they match the pace to give some feedback. As I told in the previous post, this is completely automatic by themself, and there is a disclaimer that it's something in a beta version.
    You can use something like : https://tools.pingdom.com/ to test the loading speed of your campaign/landers. It's not 100% accurate, but should give you an idea where you stand and whether you need to improve it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andybd View Post
    Hi Amy,


    I don't use any tools to check the lander speed or traffic speed. I saw, in the stats of propeller ads that they match the pace to give some feedback. As I told in the previous post, this is completely automatic by themself, and there is a disclaimer that it's something in a beta version.


    Furthermore, for the big difference between direct link and landers, I follow the same pattern found in this guide, so I supposed that the targeting was the same.


    Last but not least, I sent a PM to you.


    [edit] I use cloudflare as requested by funnel flux


    Thanks for your help.

    Ciao
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    *whince* Please DO check lander speed and optimize it so that your landers load as quickly as possible! Try to get the loading speed down to 1s or lower if possible, and at the slowest absolutely not over 2s. The lander loading speed can break your entire campaign - it's THAT important!

    Because pop traffic is interruption traffic - i.e. it just pops up out of the blue without any initiation/request from the visitor - NOBODY will wait around for the pop ad to load. So if your lander loads slowly, people will close it before they even see the ad. I go over all this in the 40-day tutorial.

    Thanks for the PM'ing all the links! The offer link you insert into Funnelflux is incorrect - it should look like this:

    https://www.offerlink.rocks/offer/123456|12345?tag={hit}&website={trafficsource-id}

    (The first part of your link will look different - just make sure to mirror everything after the question mark. All your other Mobidea offers can follow the same format.)

    The rest of your links look correct.

    This should work - but in the off chance that it doesn't, please do let me know!



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    Hello,

    After running a campaign, I got some decent data in FunnelFlux that will allow me to narrow down my targeting, but there is something I am missing for improving my offer. My chosen offer on Zeydoo had 10 variations of landings. To start, I chose to use all 10 of them during my initial test to see which worked best. While choosing all 10, I assumed FunnelFlux would be able to tell me the conversion rate% of each of these landings and I could cut my losses on underperforming ones.

    However, I can't seem to find any linking to performance metrics that show the individual landings and think I made the mistake of thinking that would be available for me to view. I checked both Zeydoo offer stats and Funnelflux reports, and I don't think it's an option. Am I missing something on FunnelFlux? Or while making these campaigns, should I have narrowed down the number of landing variations I used for each and instead made multiple campaigns testing different smaller groups of these landings?

    Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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    Hey there, did you create a separate offer for each landing in FF or do you run all landings through one offer URL?

    In case you run all landings through one offer URL you won´t find the stats in FF, you find it in Zeydoo directly.

    In Zeydoo go to statistics



    Then click "Select Filter" and select "Offer" from the dropdown



    Click in the middle field and choose the offer you want to check



    In the right dropdown then select "Landings"



    Then you can see the stats for the different landings for that offer.
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    Thank you for the quick reply! Exactly what I was looking for, thank you very much for your help.
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    Glad to help you let us know when there is anything else.
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    Good day!
    One day my company was running in propellerAds with one offer from Haka.
    https://yadi.sk/i/Lz9TjVQWjXtUBw
    few conversions - nothing to analyze, what i can improve?
    The next lessons are already on the topic of PopAds, and then landing pages. But I was stuck at the initial stage, you have no action to do if there are no conversions. Do I need to change the offer, bid, offer source, check several offers at once?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leo999 View Post
    Good day!
    One day my company was running in propellerAds with one offer from Haka.
    https://yadi.sk/i/Lz9TjVQWjXtUBw
    few conversions - nothing to analyze, what i can improve?
    The next lessons are already on the topic of PopAds, and then landing pages. But I was stuck at the initial stage, you have no action to do if there are no conversions. Do I need to change the offer, bid, offer source, check several offers at once?
    I go into what to do if there aren't enough conversions, in this lesson:

    https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...ing-Placements

    Bid testing is explained here:

    https://stmforum.com/forum/showthrea...7-Testing-Bids

    I want to introduce landing pages early on, because many newbies try to put it off for as long as they can, and this can really limit the types of offers they can run.

    My best advice would be to just follow the entire tutorial through once, without going hardcore into testing offers etc. Once you have a basic idea how the whole process works including optimization and bid-testing, there will be time for mass-testing later.



    Amy
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